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Age Of Accountability

Tuesday, June 12, 2007

Daughter number three, Marie, is turning eight any day now. Oddly, there's been no talk around our house about the possibility of her baptism. I would object, that's public knowledge, and I'm sure that's why the subject hasn't come up.

Baptism into the Mormon faith isn't like being sprinkled by the neighborhood vicar. It is not taken casually and the baptisee is, and will forever be, expected to believe in the tenets of Mormonism without failing or questioning. My feeling is that that's just too large a commitment to make given how absolutely little most Mormons know of their faith, especially at age eight.

A decision like that should be made with full disclosure. A person should be aware of the claims of Mormonism, its history and its controversies. I think this is true of adult converts as well as young children. In fact, I don't think a child is even capable of understanding these things. Most adult converts typically commit to baptism before hearing anything about polygamy, the temple ceremony, the so-called translation of the Book of Abraham and many other crucial pieces of information.

Mormonism asks a great deal of its members and frankly, I think it's downright dishonest to ask that such an important decision be made without full-disclosure. Doubly so of a child.

It won't matter what I have to say about it though. Marie will be baptized, I'm sure. Pressure at church, pressure from family and an expectation from her mother will, no doubt, win out.

If asked, she would say she wants to be baptized. That's all well and good but hardly meets the standard of consent. She simply will not have the information or ability to make a fully-informed decision. Nevertheless, it will be expected of her.

But not by me.


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the baptizer

has the question come up yet of who will baptize her as i guess for mormons, it's usually the father because they're part of the priesthood?

Well...

Donna's father dunked the older two. I'm sure he'll be called on this time too. Naturally, no one has actually asked me what I think about it.

Pressurized Brainwashing

I agree. Growing up Mormon I know what it is like to have the doctrine of the church forced onto one's young sponge of a mind. Then at the age of 8 they ask you if you want to make your belief official. What 8 yr old child would say no? All their friends and family said yes. Who wants to be an outcast at that age? Just say yes and don't worry about a thing. Your in good hands.

Right...

A child may actually profess to believe too. But in what? Primary? Friends? Singing? Certainly these aren't the things they'll be required to accept part-and-parcel later on, all in the name of their baptismal covenant.

Yes.

I've thought a lot about this subject. My husband, thankfully, is a nevermo and - at least in the marriage - it would never come up. By my family - all 543826929 or so relatives - are devout and committed. I know that the time will come when the issue will be raised - in spite of the fact that I resigned and have not been a member for nearly a year now. Jack will be 4 this year, and I keep hoping that by 4 years from now enough of my family will have accepted OUR beliefs to respect that boundary. One can only hope.

too young??

I was 15 when I got "confirmed" in the catholic church.... and I still can't tell you what the heck it was about. All I know was that I spent a year going to extra classes and performing community service to prepare for my entire extended family to invade Indianapolis and have a great dinner at some restaraunt.... I think I made a couple hundred bucks off the day too.... But, the truth of it is that she is probably not ready. But, as long as she knows that she has you to talk to and you to answer her questions honestly.... that if in the future she resigns from the church... You will be there to hold her hand and laugh and cry about it. In this matter, go with the flow.... But always hold your ground, because someday she will see your side of it too.

Its too young

When my son reached age 8 I received a visit from the Elders asking for my permission to teach him. (Wife is a fully fledged LDS as is all her family)

I agreed (otherwise it plays right into their victim psyche) but challenged the elders to be true to their hearts and be discerning and to have the bottle to say no if they felt he wasnt ready.

silly me. Like that was gunna happen. He did it to please others.

He's 18 now. He won't go anywhere near a Mormon church.

Age of Accountability

I just discovered your blog and find it funny, warm and full of what makes life a ride. I was raised Catholic and am now a recovering Catholic. When both my daughters were to be confirmed (after years of "Sunday School") now called CCD, they were fully apprised that at the age of 15/16 they were truly accepting the Catholic Church as the one true and Apostolic church. They're parents did it at Baptisim, now they were "confirming" thier beliefs. The teacher hammered it home. Both declined to make the commitment. Both sets of Grandparents were appalled. Me? I couldn't have been more proud. My daughters know what a commitment and a promise is.

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